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  • Kelly
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    Hello

    Does anyone know where I can find a map of what areas/boroughs come under the Greater London Authority when AEB devolution applies? Just trying to find out how far outside London it stretches.

    And if there are any other details maps for the other regions.

    thanks, Kelly.

     
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    Martin West
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    steveh
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    Hi

    London is the 32 boroughs (plus City of London) that make up the Greater London Authority, ie:

    https://mapit.mysociety.org/area/2247.html

    non-London is a bit more complicated and based on the combined authorities:

    https://www.local.gov.uk/topics/devolution/combined-authorities

    I swear there was a clear list on gov.uk at some point, but obviously I can’t find it now I want it…

     
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    Kelly
    Participant

    thanks Steve. thats useful.

    I’ve contacted the ESFA to ask if theres a map but they will probably as helpful as normal.

     
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    steveh
    Participant

    https://www.local.gov.uk/topics/devolution/devolution-map

    (it’s not working on my computer, but the internet here is only funny…)

     
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    Peter Talbot
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    The GLA publishes a postcode map at https://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/gla_postcode_map_a3_map1.pdf

    As you will be know, postcode areas do not follow local government boundaries, so the situation may arise where a student wants to pursue a course funded by a particular mayoralty, has a council tax bill which proves they are a resident of that mayoralty, but the ONS postcode file says they live elsewhere. Do we know what ESFA plans to do about that?

     
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    steveh
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    Hi Peter

    It will be full postcodes (like the disadvantage uplift is), not just the outward half, so I don’t think this is an issue? I’m not aware of a distinct postcode that is in two different Local Authorities (or even two different wards, but I might be wrong on that)?

    So, for example, when a local authority boundary runs down the middle of a road, each side of the road will have different postcodes.

    More of an issue are new builds with new postcodes which take a while to filter through to the postcode address file and the the ONS data…

     
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    Peter Talbot
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    ONS states the following:
    “Linking postal geographies to other geographic units is far from straightforward though, as: Postcode boundaries do not align with other geographic boundaries. If a unit postcode straddles a ward (or other) boundary, you have to decide which ward to allocate the data to. Our postcode directories take the grid reference of the postcode centroid and match this up to digital administrative boundaries. However, some addresses (and therefore data) will still inevitably be allocated to the ‘other’ area.” (https://www.ons.gov.uk/methodology/geography/ukgeographies/postalgeography)
    So I think there is a slight possibility that the ONS Postcode Database may indicate that a person is not a resident of a Combined Authority, but they have a council tax bill which says otherwise. The SK13 2NS postcode, for example, is split between Hollingworth and Glossop i.e. Tameside (Greater Manchester) and High Peak. This is unlikely to affect learners since it’s an industrial estate rather than a residential area, but I expect we will encounter the issue somewhere!

     
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    steveh
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    Well, I’ve learned something new today! I shall keep my ear to the ground for examples…

     
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    Peter Talbot
    Participant

    More interesting is Delphside Road, Orrell, WN5 8TR where numbers 2-10 are in West Lancashire and numbers 12-28 are in Wigan. The ONS postcode file puts it in Wigan.

    http://www.mycounciltax.org.uk/results?postcode=wn58tr

    https://checkmypostcode.uk/wn58tr

     
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    Simon France
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    Awesome. It’s going to be great fun keeping track of how much of the reduced ESFA funding is being used for those outside of the Combined Authority. What do you do once you’ve spent your allocation? Turn people away?

     
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    steveh
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    Well, I mean, we don’t do that now when we’ve spent our allocation? One would assume there would be growth opportunities under the new model as there has been previously, so we’d just put in for that?

    In fact, the *real* difficulty I think, is what to do if you have learners from a devolved authority with whom you do not have a relationship, particularly a 19-23 FL3. Think this is particularly going to be an issue with Bristol/Tees Valley/Cambs&Peterborough where they’ll only have a small number of grant funded providers and there will be specialist provision not available in their area…

     
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    Simon France
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    You’re right, we don’t switch off once we reach allocation currently. However, it is much easier to manage when it is one allocation for all of your provision. When you’re given just 14k for a subset of learners who live just over the hill then it is a different story. Just one extra person on an ITQ would put us at 6% over the allocation.

     
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    Peter Talbot
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    I’ve emailed the service desk to ask:

    Dear ESFA.

    The ONS Postcode file uses postcode centroids to associate a postcode with an administrative district, but this isn’t always accurate. So this raises questions about how we attribute students to the areas of devolved AEB funding. For example, in Delphside Road, Orrell, WN5 8TR, numbers 2-10 are in West Lancashire and numbers 12-28 are in Wigan. The ONS postcode file puts WN5 8TR in Wigan. The hub will presumably provide a calculation of funding by devolved area. The FIS system may have a validation rule that all Greater Manchester residents have DAM codes requested by the Combined Authority. How will this be handled by your software? We need to know how to prepare our data and do our own calculations.

     
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    steveh
    Participant

    I did point Ian Tress (product owner for FIS etc) at this thread a couple of weeks back and he said they were looking into it, so it’s not entirely off their radar.

    One would *hope* that the postcode/SOF stuff is a warning until at least after R04 so we can get all of these wrinkles ironed out.

     
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