I have a learner who achieved a GCSE grade 2 in English Language and is resitting it in the coming months. They have applied for an traineeship, but can they enrol onto the traineeship before they resit or will this be dual funding?
The learner has achieved a grade 5 GCSE English Literature so would meet the condition of funding.
MichaelMay 13, 2019 at 2:13 pm #368724
If they’re 16-19, you just get funded per planned hours, so it shouldn’t be an issue.
If they’re adult, you’ll be funded per qual, so it doesn’t matter that you don’t consider the aims to be part of the same programme I think.
Are you planning on using different funding streams for the two different enrolments? That could be an issue.May 14, 2019 at 1:50 pm #368925
Hi Ruth CJ
Should of mentioned in the first post the learner is resitting her GCSE with a local college not ourselves.
We will be delivering the traineeship.
MichaelMay 14, 2019 at 2:24 pm #368938
Ah, right! Yes, that makes a difference. If they’re an adult, and AEB funded, that’s not an issue. If the student is 16-19, this isn’t something you can do, unless the other college is not claiming funding (which is unlikely). It’s a real shame, as it’s not good for the students in this position. Can you persuade the students to move their GCSE to you? That might be in their best interests either.
13. Institutions must:
b. not record as funded those students who are enrolled on study programmes funded by ESFA at other institutionsMay 14, 2019 at 2:54 pm #368957
See below response received from ESFA Business Operations Service Centre;
They can start the traineeship without you enrolling them on the English – the only issue you may have is that the ILR will ask you to identify whether the learner is exempt from the conditions of funding, and until you know the learners resit grade you will be unable to enter this.May 20, 2019 at 8:17 am #370015
I think they’ve got the wrong end of the stick. They’ve assumed you’re asking about Condition of Funding, and have ignored the double funding issue.
Is the student in question going to be AEB or 16-19 funded? If the former, no problem. If the latter, I think you very much do have a problem. I suggest going back to them and quote the 16-19 funding rules I quoted above, and ask them why they’ve advised you that it’s ok to claim 16-19 funding, when you know another provider is claiming 16-19 funding at the same time.May 20, 2019 at 12:43 pm #370090
After asking for further clarification I received the below from YP Enquiry Service
Yes it is possible for a student to undertake GCSE resits at one institution and a traineeship at another institution. This would not be classed as double funding unless the student was sitting some of the same courses at both institutions. Our general expectation would be that English and maths, if required, would be part of the traineeship programme and so all delivered by the same provider, however, we recognise that in some circumstances this may not be appropriate.May 22, 2019 at 11:22 am #370585
I give up. The guidance says categorically that you cannot claim 16-19 funding at two institutions at once (irrespective of which aims), then the helpdesk tell you that it doesn’t matter. At least you’ve got it in writing, so if questioned by an auditor, you can show them this. Make sure you keep that email safe somewhere you can find it.May 22, 2019 at 11:53 am #370591
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