Household Situation – 18/19 Rules

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  • Kirsty Scott
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    Hi

    In the 18/19 ILR Spec they have changed the coverage for the LDFAM Household Situation to include ‘Non-levy funded apprenticeships (FundModel 36, ACT2)’ but later on in it states that this does not need to be collected for learners on apprenticeship standards, ‘This data is not required for OLASS learners or for apprenticeship standards. Where this data has been previously returned for apprenticeship standards, it can continue to be returned.’

    So, do we have to collect it for non-levy apprenticeship standard leaner or not?

    Also, as an apprentice, the learner will obviously be considered employed (all of our apprentices will be 18+), so I don’t see how code 1 or 2 will be applicable? Is this based on their situation prior to starting the apprenticeship?

    Many thanks.

     
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    Martin West
    Participant

    Hi,
    My interpretation is this is only collected for non-levy funded Framework Apprenticeships.

    The household situation applies as at the start of the programme aim and as you stated an Apprentice must be employed from day 1 then only HHS3 could apply.

    HTH

     
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    OFFS
    Participant

    Maybe it’s only required for residual Frameworks under FM36 ? Or maybe they’ve got the wording confused ?

     
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    Kirsty Scott
    Participant

    Thanks Martin, that’s what I thought.

    I’m hoping it’s only for the framework students. I have emailed ESFA just to double check.

     
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    Jaci
    Participant

    If anyone gets a response can you please let us know. I have also, logged it as a queru

    Many Thanks

     
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    Kirsty Scott
    Participant

    This is the reply I received from the ESFA. I assume from this we do need to collect it for standard apprentices but I am going to ask them to explicitly say that.

    I can confirm that the house hold indication is collected for non-levy funded apprenticeships that start on or after 1 August 2018 and is collected at the point of enrolment. This data is not collected where a levy funded apprenticeship (ACT1) changes employer to become non-levy funded (ACT2).

    Thanks.

     
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    Jaci
    Participant

    Doesn’t say anything about only for Frameworks?

    I’ll post back when I get a reply

     
    #271309

    Martin West
    Participant

    From the funding rules I read this as the match funding requirements for the European Social Fund (ESF) applies to all apprentices funded via the non-levy route from 1 August 2018.

    The ILR specifications confirms the collection requirement for HHS includes β€˜Non-levy funded apprenticeships (FundModel 36, ACT2)’ but the notes go on to say this data is not required for apprenticeship standards, so the assumption is it only apples to Non-levy funded apprenticeship Frameworks (FundModel 36, ACT2).

    The problem is the funding rules and ILR specifications do not match the ESFA do need to clarify this.

     
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    Jaci
    Participant

    Thanks Martin, thats what I thought. Will post the reply when I get it

     
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    Caz
    Participant

    A cheeky P.S. to the above…..

    I’m looking for the Household Situation Code Mapping – I’ve scrolled through both the Provider Support manual and the ILR Spec, but cant locate it. Could anybody point me to a document/page number to save me some more eye strain!

     
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    OFFS
    Participant

    Hi Caz, Section 11 of the Support Manual has a lot of detail on this, codes, definitions etc?

     
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    Caz
    Participant

    Thank You – i have just this minute found it – i took a break from the PSV and then had another look.

     
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    Martin West
    Participant

    Hi Caz,
    You can record up to two HHS records. You can record either codes HHS1 or HHS2 but not both of these. Code HHS3 may then apply in addition to code HHS1.

    HHS 1 No household member is in employment and the household includes one or more dependent children
    HHS 2 No household member is in employment and the household does not include any dependent children
    HHS 3 Learner lives in a single adult household with dependent children
    HHS 98 Learner has withheld this information
    HHS 99 None of HHS1, HHS2 or HHS3 applies

    For none levy Apprenticeships it can only by HSS3 or HSS99
    HTH

     
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    Caz
    Participant

    Thank You Martin πŸ™‚

     
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