Now that they have removed funding stream 45 from the 13/14 ILR Specification I am wondering how we go about differentiating between
Employer Responsive and Learner Responsive Funding?
We used to use funding streams 22 and then 45 to split the two but now we will be unable to do this due to the two being merged into the single Adult Skills Funding Funding Model.
Ideally we need to separate out
WPL (I think there is a WPL Flag in the Learning Delivery and Monitoring Type, page 124 of ILR Spec)
Any suggestions would be great
ThanksJuly 24, 2013 at 12:56 pm #1771
We are currently working on the basis of
– If Learner Aim Funding Model=10 then equates to old-style ‘ASL’
– If Learner Aim Funding Model IN(25, 70, 82) then equates to old-style ‘LR’
– If Learner Aim Funding Model IN(35, 81, 99) AND WPL=1 then equates to old-style ‘ER’
– If Learner Aim Funding Model IN(35, 81, 99) AND WPL1 then equates to old-style ‘LR’
but I’d be ‘happy’ to be corrected.July 24, 2013 at 1:21 pm #1774
You’ve pretty much nailed the answer in your question i think – i assume you’re talking ASB; ER (workplace learning) and LR (classroom learning) are differentiated – like you say – using the LDM code. The Provider Manual and Funding Rules define what Classroom and Workplace learning are (well it defines Workplace and suggests Classroom is everyhting else).
Apprenticeships are defined as they have the programme code etc, so that is much clearer.
Hope that helps.July 24, 2013 at 1:24 pm #1775
A quick look at the Alpha SIF mdb file indicates that ASL, ERApp, EROther, LR1618, LRAdult and OLASS are still included so these may be included in reporting.
I do not anticipate there being a problem as the ILR includes the classroom/workplace indicator and the programme aim and frameworks identify Apps from EROther.July 24, 2013 at 1:27 pm #1776
Thanks for the replies everyone.
I think after some further research the question I have is
how do we differentiate between
From Martin’s response (thanks Martin) we can do this by checking to see if there is a framework. But I am curious if anyone knows how the SIF will officially do it?
I was reading the EFA Technical Guidance
Just wondering if there is an equivalent for
Adult Skills Budget or the SIF?
Sorry I’m learning as I’m very new to much of this.
GazJuly 29, 2013 at 8:39 pm #1799
The assumption is if 35 and the aim type = 4 and the WPL indicator is set then it is not part of an Apprenticeship so it must be ER_Other.July 30, 2013 at 8:25 am #1803
Looking at pages 9/10 (page numbers at the bottom of the Provider support Manual) for 13/14
It reads on number 31,
Workplace learning is defined as:
* any learning aim mainly delivered within a workplace and in connection with the employed Learner’s occupation or their employer’s business and,
* any learning in an Apprenticeship Framework.
Number 32 below then reads
* Workplace learning must be identified in the Learning Delivery Funding and Monitoring fields of the ILR using code WPL1 (see paragraph 283)
Paragraph 283 reads
This should be used to indicate that the learner is undertaking workplace learning as
defined in the Skills Funding Agency Funding Rule. All learning aims that were
recorded with code 45, Employer responsive, in the Funding model field, must be
recorded using the Workplace indicator, with the exception of those aims using FAM
It implies that Apprenticeships should have the WPL indicator set for Apprenticeships? – Unless Apprenticeships use LDM125? Because it is classed as WPL?
Sorry if I have misunderstood the provider support manual.
Thanks for the help, really appreciate it.
GazJuly 30, 2013 at 12:20 pm #1811
LDM125 is used for classroom learning delivered under funding stream 45 used by those providers that do not have an ALR contract (really funding stream 22) and is nothing to do with an Apprenticeship.July 30, 2013 at 1:07 pm #1812
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