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Perfect- so i amend with this & ensure LDM code is on there also & no errors should bounce back?
Thanks as always Steve 🙂October 29, 2020 at 1:11 pm in reply to: Forecasting P3 Payments with P13 & P2 Deductions without Breakdown #472349
Thank you so much Paul
Working late for upload too 🙂
The P13 & the P2 payment is mixed together in the P2 remittance.
So any additional payments or deductions across all funding lines within P13 have been removed from your P2 payment.
However you are unable to see the breakdown of it all- think the payment system is meant to assist but not sure about anyone else but mine doesn’t work yet.
Just got to guess really how it splits really- the joys
I still have the same error coming up:
Sorry, the service is unavailable
Try again later.
If you need help with the apprenticeship service, you can contact apprenticeship service support.
The last part of the puzzle to sort for R14 and hurdles from ESFA once again 🙁
Perfect- thank you!
Its just more hurdles which really are unnecessary with the co-investment. The concept makes sense so the employer is more engaged but they have enough to worry about especially at the moment.
Will keep pushing & see how we get on.
With the current situation of Covid & Learners being dropped like lead balloons the co-investment & their priority to pay is at the bottom of their agenda.
We are constantly chasing but wanted to know what funding impact it has if we just cant collect it & now they are leavers what stance we can take if any- I assume it just means we have worked for 5/10% less that we should’ve done but wondered what the ESFA rules state.
Thanks for your assistance
Traineeships is a form of Study Programme so it can be delivered- there will be something in the rules stating that Traineeships are a study programme.
ESFA fund traineeships for 16 to 18-year-olds (and 19 to 24-year-olds, and up to age 25, with an education health and care plan) through the young people’s funding methodology for 16 to 19 study programmes.
We fund traineeships for 19 to 24-year-olds through the adult education budget (AEB) funding methodology. Further information on how these traineeships are funded is available in the AEB funding rates and formula.
As always with the ESFA then pre-empt the worst & hope for the best when it comes to payments 🙂
Someone else has posted & apparently they should be available from around the 28th 🙂
If you have a 16-19 contract already you can deliver Traineeships under this or if you dont then it would be via a seperate contract paid on actuals instead of lagged funding via the MYESF not via Information Exchange.
For 19+ you would have an AEB contract specifically allocating an amount to 19-24 Traineeships
Hope that helps….
Sorry one more thing- is it only linked to Apprenticeships that this is added in ro2/ro3 payments or linked to all programmes?
Previously the increase or deductions running from p13 & p14 upload would reflect in a R14 reconciliation paid/deducted in Nov/Dec.
Do they now do it on each return? I didnt realise this… i best review any increase/decreases in P13
Yes absolutely- this isn’t anything to do with brokerage 🙂
Thats whats I getting. I got the below errors- so removed from the ILR:
LearnDelFAMType_06 & The FAM type and code is not valid for this Learning start date
So removed the LDM based on its being an error & the guidance no longer having 357 in it.
This then meant that funding has gone into the non-procured line.
Someone from the service desk emailed me this: LDM code 357 is not required for the academic year 2020/21 as learners will either be funded through AEB devolution or the AEB contract (20/21 AEB contracts are not procured)
then minutes later i received this: Following our previous advice, we are aware of an issue with LDM code 357 incorrectly triggering an error in the 20/21 academic year, the data team are working to release an updated LDM code list and also correct the data set to accept the code, apologies for the inconvenience caused. You must continue to submit LDM code 357 for applicable learners, this is in accordance with the AEB Funding Rules.
So it looks like we will be penalised of payment for an error created when there is conflicting advice!
Thanks for coming back Steve
What would be the best way to contact you off the forum as may have an option for your contact.
Great- thank you
I cant seem to find the Learning Aim Reference for the aim which includes Work Experience & Employability for traineeships.
I am struggling to find it anyway but maybe going blind looking at all potential documentation to obtain it.
When you say unemployed learners now in employment are these classed as 19+ learners on JC+?
We do deliver to 16-18 only and they are both study programmes or Traineeships. They do progress to employment or Apprenticeships but from your notes above they would still be expected to achieve and if they dont its seen as negative success?
Thanks for your help so far
JSJune 25, 2015 at 8:52 am in reply to: Functional Skills affecting Success Rates for Study Programmes & Traineeships #16426
I would be interested to see the response in regards to this as we have the same issues- I have this with EFA learners
Thanks Martin- this makes sense.
I know there are no completion or achievement payments but at the moment as a sub we have only received 50% on retention of the 6 week period and looking to now receive the remaining 50% as the learners have now been retained and completed but there are concerns that the Maths and English hasn’t been completed so are holding back payments due to this at the moment.
We are taking up with the prime at the moment but I just wanted some sort of reassurance that the interpretation I have the rules is right or wrong.
Your last comment makes sense and will discuss further with the prime- thanks for your help with this but any further views would be appreciated.
Thank you both Martin and Caspar and apologies if I haven’t been clear.
We do part time programmes and are a training provider so it does not run by academic year.
The programmes are study programmes and EFA funded the core aim is Employability,Work Experience, Maths and English (if required)
2 of the aims are completed (Employability & Work Experience) but maths and English have not been achieved as yet. We are happy to continue with Maths & English this isn’t a problem but I just wanted to be clear what we have to do in regards to achievement of Maths and English.
We have a prime that is currently holding back completion payments even though the core aim has been achieved due to Maths and English not being achieved for some learners.
I just want to be clear what needs to be achieved for completion and achievement to be made for these learners
Thanks again for your quick response- its appreciated and apologies for any confusion