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Do they include data up to R04 or R03 only?
Not expecting anything relating to R04 until after their quality assurance date of 17/12/19 and certainly wasn’t expecting anything to be uploaded to the Hub! What time and date were they uploaded?
The old hub has been decommissioned.
At a guess on SLD in the Reports-History section. No communication has been released as of yet don’t think, but surely they will announce it in either the ESFA Update/Inform newsletter.
They are not actually listed as an issue in a DSAT report from memory, but auditors use one of the listing reports to highlight students in this scenario – its a trick they have up their sleeve that some maybe not all may use.
Agree – not always easy to find. Suppose you just have to rely on the 16-19 summary report and your own internal checks.
Its slow, but no where near as slow as R14 – maybe 30 mins?
Taking a while to upload the file in the first place, but when you submit it afetr seeing the rule violations, seems to go through pretty quick.
Also this funding rule from main providers document:
P23 You must be satisfied that the employer is providing the apprentice with appropriate
support and supervision to carry out their job role and their apprenticeship.
My view is you are at fault as 19 year old with a 19/20 start date should be FM35 and can only be fully funded if they do not have a full level 3 qual – its an issue they look for at audit in your DSATs to try and catch you out.
From memory, think its not a rule violation due to A Levels ie you could start AS at 18, A level at 19, but would still be FM25 funded due to it being an A Level 2 year programme, even though the dates seem to contradict this.
Breaks in learning can only be used in the following circumstances.
“When the apprentice takes a period of leave from their work, for reasons such as
medical treatment, maternity or paternity leave, this will be a break in the training
they are to receive (a break in learning).”
so you cannot use a break. Why are you wanting to use one?
Surely they are unable to pass the apprenticeship without clinical experience?
“On a related issue I’ve also asked if there is anyway to download the DAS records as a csv file as that would have made it so much easier to send them back the data they wanted.”
Why oh why oh why cannot they provide us with this feature?! They managed it for the Agreement IDS but not for the data which actually need to interrogate when resolving DLOCK errors.
I am always wanting to check ILR vs DAS, but have to do it via the Data Mismatch report, which can be a pain trying to connect all the data together in a format useful and readable to other departments.
Thanks Ruth – thats what i was getting at
Hi Martin, Query relateds to SOF/non funded and not postcode
Have a student in a devolved area, studying with ourselves who are not in a devolved area or have access to the funding in a devolved area, same as OP.
Why do you suggest to record SOF as 113 (over recording it as non funded) when OP does not have an allocation for WECA?
- This reply was modified 2 months, 3 weeks ago by jessicar.
Whats the advantage of recording SOF as 113 when you getting no money either way (unless you ask the devolved area for it)?
There should be 2 reports when you submit to SLD. The summary is just that – the number of students in error, whereas the Rule Violations Report will list learners in error.
@Ruth Its in the ERN User guide about using the ERN of the site
P311 is where is says it, just not in the words you want:
Eligible if a EEA citizen (aka UK) AND have lived here for 3 years, therefore not automatically eligible.
By reading the funding rules often enough, you learnt to read between the lines, which is a concept non funding staff find difficult to understand.
You can return all your learners for the academic year in the HUB and therefore see your position for the full year – you just need to ensure you extract them all from your MI system in your xml file
What R14 reports are you referring to? The Hub should contain all the same reports as FIS generates.
How were these learners coded at R14? Withdrawn?
Argh, see what they are referring to, but P311 is the key point. P337 is referring to the Overseas territories only (maybe a comma missing so they are interpreting this whole sentence incorrect?) Should maybe read as:
P312 The European Economic Area (EEA) includes all the countries, AND THE territories listed
below (fromIN paragraph P337).
and Yes to this as Brits are EEA citizens:
The paragraph reference (311) references EEA citizens. So are we for the purposes of apprenticeship eligibility treating that paragraph as a cover all for everyone including British citizens?
They wouldn’t be eligible under paragraph 311 as they haven’t been living in the UK for the previous 3 years.
However do they have any family members in the EEA who have lived there for 3 years+ whilst the apprentice has been in Australia? If so have a look at paragraphs 320 to 322 as they may qualify as being a family member of an EU/EEA citizen.
Ps if you are not an employer provider these paragraph reference will be different in the other versions of the funding documents – but you need to be reading annex A
Go to SLD – Download Reports – History tab.
Thats where they put R02 period end reports.
Guessing this is why the system is down today as multiple providers have submitted the same file on SLD and also on the HUB. If the SLD is trying to upload the same file to the HUB, it may be encountering issues as the file is already there from your manual upload. Maybe not, but never known the Hub to be down after R14 before!
The ESFA caused this themselves though – they should have switched one system off and made it very clear what we should and shouldn’t be submitting on.
@Ben_James Agreed but they ll argue the majority of your data should be resolved by R13 (6 weeks after the end of the academic year) and R14 is a bit of a last min tidy up.
However as we all know, when you ve got hundreds of staff feeding you different snippets of learner information, you know there’s always someone who’s forgotten to tell you something or something comes out of the woodwork last min!
PS also working with different exam boards and their timescales doesn’t help you to try and submit early either!
- This reply was modified 4 months, 1 week ago by jessicar.
Don’t know how your MIS system works but the EPA is attached to the enrolment not the learner.
So when he learner went on the break in learning you should have something along the lines of:
Start date 01/09/2017
Planned End Date 01/09/2022
Actual End Date 01/06/2018
EPA – Epa recorded against the enrolment
And when they returned to learning, you should have create new enrolments ie:
Start date 01/09/2018
Original Start Date 01/09/2017
Planned End Date 01/10/2022
Actual End Date null
Restart indicator – true
EPA – Epa recorded against the enrolment
When did you input the EPA – after R13?
The reports are always 3 weeks out of date. Other than that have you enter the EPA on the Break in learning enrolment as well as the restart enrolment?
Have disappeared now so least don’t have to wait overnight!