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Leave to remain generally means limited leave to remain and like Steve says they have to meet the 3 years rule. or if means they applied for something a while ago and they were given a extension to their original leave
If they have ILR it would say it on their Home Office doc
Do you mean call the ESFA or is there a specific support for DAS?
I have one but I dont know how to share it on here.
The certificate states its a Scottish Certification of Education issued in 1986. Grade is stated as “ordinary” and award level as 3. I asked the learner if he could identify the type of qualification from the list of Scottish quals that are on the ESFA exemption list but he said he couldn’t, he thinks its because its an old qual.
Problem I have now is NCFE (EPAO) told the subcontractor they would accept the evidence and now the learner is doing cartwheels as he didn’t want to do the English exam.
If his wife is not eligible then he would need to be eligible in his own right.
If he’s just entered the UK as the spouse of her, then I agree that he’s not eligible as he hasn’t been resident for the minimum of 3 years.
I’m not sure about working visa’s. If she’s been here 3 years and its valid for the duration of her course then it might be okay but if it was me I’d double check with your funding and compliance team.
I’m not sure about the spouse. I dont think there is anything specific in the rules regarding visa’s other than to state that you cant enrol learners or their spouse that have a Tier 4 visa.
Do you know what it states in the husband’s passport?
When you say you don’t claim funding if they just need the exam, does this mean you don’t enrol them on the FS aim or you mark it as full-cost? I thought if they weren’t exempt we didn’t have a choice in the matter. this is interesting.
I’ve never submitted a nil return before but since they introduced the online site you can no longer created new declarations, you are expected to review your existing declarations and update details or add on new subcontractors.
If you’ve already completed a declaration why would you have a nil declaration? Do you mean there are no changes?
Steve, I was just talking about you to a colleague, you’re the best. So much better than asking for a response from the ESFA…
technically its at the discretion of the prime but I believe it also depends if its a means-tested benefit. I believe Martin or Steve sent a link a long while ago
of what benefits are classed as “means tested”
Thanks, I’ll leave the provider off then.
You declare the net amount but it is only for the period that the declaration requests. I think it only mentions Apprentices from March-July? I’ve completed two declarations this year but need to do a refresher by next weeks deadline.
I personally made a mistake with my last two declarations and declared the whole net funding that we are going to pay them this year, rather than the amount for the specific period that it asks us to declare
Hi Steve – thats what our MIS department was thinking. We’ll have to wait and see
Oh brilliant, thank you so much.
Thanks for this Ruth.
When you say back to the beginning to use the learners start date? and then create a fresh cohort for the same dates?
Im referring to the Apprenticeship funding rules. The documents that are normally published for providers, employers and employer providers. I dont believe I’ve seen guidance for 20/21. Are you saying its available?
Thats what I thought thanks and with the provider payment we can pay to the subcontractor minus our management fee?
Good question, not one I know the answer to Im afraid.
Did you not get anything through in writting when you were approved?
Saying that im certain providers have to re-apply for ROTAP regularly so it could be that once you’ve been on the register for more than 1 year your limit increases but I may be wrong.
I would suggest emailing the ESFA helpdesk but you might be waiting a while.
Is this post lock-down? If so you can accept an email from the employer confirming they agree to this, assuming they dont have the means to sign electronically.
The same applies to the learner
We can only doing this during Covid-19.
Can I suggest you read the definition of a subcontractor in the rules which says that a subcontractor is a legal entity that has been given a contract to deliver all or part of the training. Unless they are under your direction and control like any directly employed member of staff they are a subcontractor.
This is not an attack on you or your organisation but I dont understand why so many companies get away with bending the rules by calling it something else, its clear as mud in the rules.
Anyho rant over
Just to be clear the subcontracting declaration and the requirement to obtain an external certificate are two separate processes:
The Subcontracting declaration is a online submission all providers are requierd to complete that subcontract ESFA provision.
The certificate you are referring to represents an internal controls audit you must complete each year and the company you appoint must check your subcontracting controls and supply you with a certificate that you submit to ESFA by 31/07 – that is only mandatory if you subcontract over £100k. We are going through this at present but having to complete this remotely in light of current conditions.
Hope this helps
Have a look in the conditions of grant document which is the terms and conditions between the prime and the agency, there is a section on H+S in there
I believe that’s the most up to date.
we normally get prompoted when to declarate who we worked in the previous year (previously we had to record this on our website). Last year they asked us in the April I believe
I raised a ticket with the Help desk on Monday and called them today as I was getting anxious with the deadline being 2 days away and not receiving a response.
They asked me to send them a print-screen of the error message and said they were aware of the deadline and would respond asap. Im going to call them back tomorrow if I dont hear anything.
Sorry that I cant report anything positive.