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A learner can change their employer since the funding rules update earlier in the year. However there can only be a break of less then 30 days between the two employments. So if they leave their employer and it takes them 31 days to find their new job they wouldn’t be able to start a new apprenticeship as there is a minimum 12 month length of an apprenticeship and their previous training would mean they’d be able to complete the new apprenticeship in six months.February 17, 2020 at 1:17 pm in reply to: Can an Apprentice change employer with less than a year left? #428565
Is anyone still having an issue with this? We’re still triggering an error if this isn’t returned for restarts from a suspended learner.
At least its not just us. We raised it with the Apprenticeship Service and they asked us to send out some notes to all of our employers, which we’ve done. But the employers don’t know what to make of the notes and have shuffled it pretty low down their priorities. These are what the AS have asked for.
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Has there been an announcement about what we should do regarding new starts. We have some learners that we’re inducting and we’re unable to check their prior attainment on the LRS. Should we pause their induction until this is resolved?
We do get them to declare their prior attainment, however sometimes this disagrees with what has been listed on the LRS.
Really useful to see what the plans are. @steveh how did you find this? It didn’t appear in any of the weekly updates did it?January 14, 2020 at 12:52 pm in reply to: [CLOSED] Question & Answer session on Qualification Achievement Rates (QAR) 2018 to 2019 with the ESFA #420469
It was mentioned in July 2019 that data for standard completions would be considered up to October 2019. Is this still the case?
6. Information: developing a new transparency table for apprenticeship standards qualification achievement rates (QARs)
During the transition period to apprenticeship standards, where new relationships between training providers and end point assessment organisations are being built and consolidated, we recognise that some apprentices are unable to complete their apprenticeship standard at the time it was initially recorded on the ILR.
Where apprentices are planned to complete between May and July 2019, and will not be able to complete until after July 2019, this will impact on provider Qualification achievement rates (QARs).
To account for these delays, we will publish a new transparency table in March 2020. This builds upon the apprenticeship standards explanatory paper we published alongside the official National Achievement Rate tables (NARTs) last year, giving the sector more information about standards as the programme develops.
The official QAR will be published through the National Achievement Rate tables in March 2020, and the new table will be published alongside NARTs transparency tables at the same time.
We will provide more information about this new table in due course, however it will contain as a minimum:
the key figures from the QAR calculations (the volumes of leavers, achievers and the QAR)
the apprentices who were excluded from this year’s QAR because of delays, meaning that they did not achieve or withdraw by their planned end date
a subset of the apprentices above who subsequently achieved between August to October 2019
a new unofficial QAR that includes the late achievements above
We are developing how we use this data, and will provide more information in due course, covering:
working with Ofsted to ensure that they understand what we have done and why, so that they use the data appropriately in their inspection planning and judgements.
recognising this data in our approach to applying minimum standards
reviewing what we provide in Find Apprenticeship Training
January 14, 2020 at 11:10 am in reply to: [CLOSED] Question & Answer session on Qualification Achievement Rates (QAR) 2018 to 2019 with the ESFA #420438
- This reply was modified 1 month, 1 week ago by sambern.
Yes that’s a new exemption announced 1st November
However it can be backdated to all continuing Apprenticeships.
No I haven’t been able to chase it with them as been busy on other things. I’ll give them a nudge, if you hear anything I’d appreciate it.
Oh sorry FIS isn’t speaking to SQL. When I choose the SQL export settings in FIS and run the export the process crashes.
I’ll send the error in to the service desk and see what they say. It must be something that I haven’t got setup as it’s working for you.
- This reply was modified 3 months, 1 week ago by sambern.
That’s the part that is crashing for me. I’m getting a please contact support desk, using those same settings. Software completely locks and has to be exited.
Interesting that it’s working for you, I wonder if it’s related to the version of SQL?
Thanks Martin, did you have to add anything in the new FIS regarding the SQL export?
Does anyone know where this was announced by the ESFA? I can’t see it in the updates for FE from the last few weeks?
Yes we had them in a similar way. We found that when we went into apprenticeship service and filtered by data match the values were actually different from the ILR and were able to request a change. Which I think resolved the issue.
The issues seems related with TNP 3&4. However we never heard back from the service desk or the apprenticeship service. We’ve been chasing this issue since February in one form or another.
Thanks Martin, that was the issue.
They had not migrated to our 18/19 export this will be rectified at R14.October 10, 2019 at 11:02 am in reply to: Hybrid end year in R12 QAR for planned break who are now leavers #406048
On our MIS we have entered them as withdrawals, but looking at the data I can see that the withdrawal reason in the QAR is ‘Not withdrawn’. I’m going to chase this up with our MIS to make sure the withdrawal is being properly updated in the export.
Thanks for suggesting that.
October 10, 2019 at 10:45 am in reply to: Hybrid end year in R12 QAR for planned break who are now leavers #406031
- This reply was modified 4 months, 2 weeks ago by sambern.
We also haven’t had a FRM R01, we have had the R13 for 18/19, but nothing yet for R01 19/20. It might be because the data match wasn’t available for R01. Normally they start these a few months into the year.
Like many of the above comments, we’re collecting this information in our e-portfolio system. Reporting this on a monthly basis wouldn’t be possible for us currently and would require substantive development and process change.
We’d be able to provide this figure at the end of programme when it has been internally audited and confirmed by our quality and admin teams. As a month to month basis I don’t see how this would work without triggering accidental errors or other issues.September 24, 2019 at 4:05 pm in reply to: Consultation on possible 2020/21 ILR change – Off the job training actual hours #400317
Thank you Natalie, that was really useful. Has the Q&A document that’s discussed in the video been released as well?July 16, 2019 at 1:37 pm in reply to: A webinar explaining the changes to the ILR Specification 2019/20 – SOLD OUT #382043
On this report I believe you should be checking that the two columns Employer Co Investment Required and Training Payments Received are similar or match. They need to match completely by a learners completion/withdrawal and should be updated a minimum of every three months. Depending on how you invoice and receive payments they may not match completely until the end of programme.
Levy employers appear on here once they have used up their Levy Pot. However you don’t receive any notice of this happening other then the learner being added to the Co-Investment report that is generated in the App Monthly reports on the hub. So it’s a good one to check every month.
I noticed this on the hub today and remembered this thread. It might be useful to this issue. See below.
This release includes a data fix which affects reports FRM12 and FRM15. Some providers may notice a significant increase in the number of records appearing in these reports from R10 onwards.
For FRM12, these reports should now align to the funding reports on the Hub that highlight where employer co-investment is required. You will need to collect co-investment for the apprenticeships on this report.
For FRM15, apprentices on standards must have an EPAO recorded. Please review and update the EPAO where appropriate.
I just had this response from the service desk
Thank you for your interest in the ILR webinar.
This will shortly be available on Gov.uk.
Service DeskJuly 2, 2019 at 9:37 am in reply to: A webinar explaining the changes to the ILR Specification 2019/20 – SOLD OUT #378961
Thanks Martin, I’ve emailed the service desk, hopefully someone will respond shortly.July 1, 2019 at 10:37 am in reply to: A webinar explaining the changes to the ILR Specification 2019/20 – SOLD OUT #378640
I’d be happy with just the slides, if anyone from the ESFA is reading this please let us know where we can read them?July 1, 2019 at 10:14 am in reply to: A webinar explaining the changes to the ILR Specification 2019/20 – SOLD OUT #378620
Has the webinar been made available?June 14, 2019 at 9:47 am in reply to: A webinar explaining the changes to the ILR Specification 2019/20 – SOLD OUT #375576
Below is my understanding although it’s a bit hypothetical as we haven’t dealt with that specific situation.
It depends on whether the learner started this academic year and if there was an employer contribution.
The ILR alone will return the money, however if the Apprenticeship Service doesn’t match it’ll block your attempt to assign the learner to the correct employer as a learner can only be partaking in one Apprenticeship at a time on the AS. If the employer has made a contribution via co-investment which has been recorded, you also need to make sure that this is reimbursed and this is recorded in the ILR to trigger the payback. Although I’m not sure how having these payments after the end date would deal with data errors.
You can only return money or affect this academic year as we’re past the hard close of 17/18.